Marc Lamontagne and Lise Roussel
Owners of Prout Snowgoose 35 Elohim (formerly Andrea-Josie).
Registered in Québec, Canada.
E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org (Lise) email@example.com (Marc)
We bought our sailboat in Fort Lauderdale in February 2006, from Jake Siluk who owned her for about 10 years and cruised mainly in the Bahamas.
In July 2006, Lise and a friend of ours who owns a Snowgoose 37, Ken Weller, left Fort Lauderdale and headed north in the Atlantic for about 100 miles before getting in the ICW for the most part of the trip. They reached New-York on August 14. Ken left and Marc and Lise's mom (83 years old) joined her for the rest of the trip on the Hudson River from New York City to the border with Canada, in Rouses Point, NY, on Lake Champlain.
In the coming summer (2007), we're going to start a complete refit of the boat and prepare it for our retirement in a few years, where we plan to live aboard and sail for as long as we enjoy it !
We currently live in Saudi Arabia where we are doing a complete restoration of a 25 foot monohull, a Philip Rhodes design, a Meridian 25, 1964. We learned sailing here about 8 years ago, and since then we owned quite a few boats, from Hobie Cats to Lasers to small cruising monohulls. You can have a look at our sailing and desert adventures on our website. (Link above)
And of course you can read Lise's daily log and see all the pictures of her trip bringing our Prout from Florida to Lake Champlain by clicking on this link : http://desertsail.com/ICW2006_marc.html
For those of you who own a Snowgoose 35 or 34... we have a question.
What is the difference between a 34 and a 35 ? All the pictures we could see of any of them on the internet, they seem to be the same boat... with the same LOA. Any explanations ?
Lise & Marc
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Boat Name: Other Goose (formerly FRIENDSHIP II)
Type:1980 Snowgoose 35
Home Port and country:Thunder Bay,
Owners Name:Susan & Rick Schultz
51 Lamson Cres., Owen Sound, Ont.
Canada, N4K 6C1
Email/Telephone: srschultz bmts.com
We bought our boat in Grenada in Dec. 2003 from the original owner Jeff Stevens. He bought her from the factory and put her into day charter in Turkey for 7 or 8 years. After that he took her to the southern Caribbean and day chartered out of Petit St. Vincent until we bought her. We sailed her back to Canada and up to Thunder Bay at the head of the Great Lakes. We then sailed to Owen Sound Ont. where we are refitting her for a return to the Southern Caribbean.
She was built, as a prototype for the 37' model, under
the name of Other Goose.
Keith & Doreen Potter
posted the following story about - 'High Jinks'
"ONE OWNER FROM NEW" (Beautifully Kept)
Having successfully selling our Ocean Winds catamaran on ‘Boatsandoutboards.co.uk’, after twelve years of cruising the Mediterranean, we decided to have a house built in Sardinia. The project was due to take a couple of years and in the meantime, we were renting a house in Arbatax, the area of Sardinia where we planned to settle. After only one summer of living ashore, Doreen decided that she didn’t like it at all. She missed the days out on the boat and the hustle and bustle of marina life. It was not long before Doreen, waxing lyrical about some boat or other she had seen on the Internet, was waking me up from my afternoon siesta. At first I tried to show no interest at all, then, after a while, a little interest but in the end I was almost as keen as her.
The first hurdle was crossed when we approached the builder and he offered to refund our deposit in full. The second hurdle was crossed when we narrowed our search down to the Prout Snowgoose 37 Elite catamaran. And, the third and final one, when we found two similar Elites quite close together in Spain. Getting to Spain to view the boats in the first place was a logistical nightmare and expensive, but was still the best option, in view of the locations of some of the others advertised for sale.
Coincidentally, both boats were for sale with the same broker in Denia, a well-known company originating in Holland. The broker was very friendly and helpful but it is important to remember that he is working for the seller, not the buyer. We met him first at his office, where he went through a copy of a printed contract, explaining how it protected all the parties concerned. However, when we eventually agreed to purchase one of the Prouts, the printed contract was made worthless when he hand-wrote ‘sold as seen’ on it. As it happened, we were happy with the alteration because, as seen, the boat seemed very good. It had been advertised as ‘One Owner From New’ and also ‘Beautifully Kept’. If everything was working and as described, we were getting a bargain. Now I never buy anything without a bit of negotiating, and expect people to do the same if I am selling. In this case, the broker impressed on us how the owner was very ill and how it would not be fair to put him under pressure. So, bearing in mind that we paid the full asking price without argument, and in addition paid for the antifouling and launching, we expected some sort of guarantee that everything would either work correctly or be replaced if it didn’t.
Once the boat was in the water, we found that the only thing that couldn’t be checked out on the hard, didn’t work - the toilet. I explained this to the ex owner, who came and did a repair which made it leak even more. We thought it would have been only fair for him to offer us the price of a new toilet (only about 200€), considering the amount we had just paid him. Another thing that was all wrong was the fact that we were not allowed on the boat, on our own, to check everything over, until the money was in the bank and the contract signed. Also, we had only been shown round the boat by the broker, who could not answer all our questions. This was because the owner, who only lived one hundred metres away, was allegedly too upset to do it. He made a miraculous recovery once the money was cleared into his bank account, and actually supervised the launching. After the boat was launched (and paid for), the ex owner now explained that we could not use the gas fridge or heating because at some time he had drilled a hole in one of the gas pipes. It is now left to us to discover where the hole is or replace all the pipes! He also broke the news that the boat hadn’t been used for a couple of years, which was contrary to what we had been told by the broker. We were still satisfied with our purchase despite these setbacks and now started stocking up the larder while we still had the hire car.
THE PASSAGE TO SARDINIA
The boat, currently named ‘The Two Of Us’ was now stocked up with food and water for a week’s passage to Arbatax in Sardinia. The wind had been westerly for days but was now variable. We bought extra fuel, which gave us a maximum 70 hours of motoring but we would have to sail for a lot of the time to do the 320-mile passage to the first landfall. The sails had been described as original but in good condition! When we hoisted the main it looked like Nora Batty’s stockings. I have never seen a sail in a worse condition. The battens did not fit the pockets and were padded out with bits of old plastic water bottles. When we rolled out the Genoa, three holes were visible straight away. This was because the sail had never had a sacrificial strip from new and the sun had just rotted it.
A major change of plan was immediately called for and we altered course for the Balearic Islands. As we were still sailing at this stage, which island we arrived at was not important, but the further east the better. We had set off mid-morning and by early afternoon the wind died, so we motored all night. Next day found us heading for Andraitx (Majorca) but we altered course to go further east, hoping to spend a night resting in Alcudia bay. It was when we were closing Cap de Formentor that the weather turned nasty and we had to turn and run for cover at Soller. Because this was an unexpected change of plan, I had not put a waypoint into the GPS and we found Soller by using the TomTom on my mobile phone! After two days rest, due to the weather, we set off again for Alcudia bay - a nice short trip, we thought. Once past Cap de Formentor we decided to keep going to Menorca and just anchor in a cove when we were tired. However, on the south side of the island, the sea was too rough to anchor. It was necessary to anchor just long enough to prepare and eat some dinner, but once that was done we continued overnight to Mahon. It was more than ten years since we last sailed into Mahon. I knew where I wanted to anchor but we were too tired to find the spot, even with the radar. We eventually dropped anchor at 2.30am in a channel where we knew we would be moved on in the morning. We only planned to stay long enough to re-stock the larder and buy more fuel, as the trip was already taking longer than we had planned.
After a day’s rest the weather looked fair for a passage, under engine, to the north of Sardinia. We set off at dusk, thinking we may complete the trip in 36 hours. Three hours into the passage I noticed that the battery level indicators were showing low batteries even though the engine was running. I then realised the rev counter was not working either and decided that two problems this early in a long passage was not a good omen. Six hours later we arrived back in Mahon, another 2.00am arrival, but this time we knew the way to the anchorage. Checking the batteries, I found one that looked very old, also, all the filler caps were off and it had dried up, so we purchased a new one. We found a marine engineer at anchor on a boat nearby, who soon diagnosed a faulty alternator. He soon had it stripped down to discover that one of the carbon brushes was completely worn away. Unfortunately, it is all part of the control box that has to be bought as a complete unit. First quotes came in at about 120€ + VAT but no one had the part in stock. I had said to Doreen that with a soldering iron and a brush from any other electrical appliance, the unit could be repaired. It was not long before we found a man who could do exactly that and he was an ex Volvo mechanic, now self-employed in Mahon. He explained exactly how this problem occurs, which is mainly due to the boat being laid up for some time, (the two years we were not told about at the time of purchase) and the engine not being turned over. This causes condensation in the alternator to cause the brushes to make a mark on the armature. Also the rev counter was not working because it is fed by a signal from the alternator. 100€ later we were champing at the bit waiting for fair weather. Unfortunately, one gale followed another and in the end we were 17 days in Mahon before there was a drop in the wind. At 3.00am on 6th May, we set off for Sardinia, following a good weather forecast from Germany. The sea was still rough and I was sick after a couple of hours (Doreen was fast asleep in bed!). There was very little wind for the whole passage and we motored all the way to Asinara in the north of Sardinia. We arrived after 35 hours on a lovely sunny afternoon and the wind was perfect to continue through the Bonifacio Straits, but we chose to anchor, sunbathe, relax and read. The next morning we set off early again to get to Cannigione, but today the wind was on the nose and increasing. We had a long hard slog to reach our destination but it was worth it as we had decided to spend a couple of days visiting a friend in the area. When we turned on the VHF the following morning, the weather forecast being given out by the Italians was warning of another gale and the wind was already increasing. We decided that, as it was still only force 5 and we had not yet sailed the boat properly, we would set off straight away. We were glad we did, we were touching 10 knots with a following wind, double the speed of our old boat. Of course, with a following wind, the shape of the sails didn’t really matter much; it was when we turned the corner near Porto Cervo that the fun started. As we came closer onto the wind, first a sail batten car broke, followed shortly by the slides either side of it. Instead of looking like Nora Batty’s stockings, the main now looked like her bloomers! We had no choice but to drop the anchor in deep water and get the sail down and lash it to the boom. At this stage, the sea was far from comfortable and we were dragging fast. When the battens and slide broke, we had been sailing under main alone, as I knew the Genoa was dodgy and I was hoping to salvage it. We now set off again with a very weak Genoa rolled out. We were doing 7/8 knots, in 15 knots of wind, in a rough sea and it was important to try and keep this speed up to cross Olbia bay and out of the shipping lanes. By the time we reached the other side of the bay, the sail was in such bad shape with bits hanging off it everywhere, that we had no choice but to roll it in.
A day that had started off so well was now very miserable. The sea was rough and, where sailing had been exhilarating, under engine alone we had slowed down considerably and were being thrown all over the place. Doreen suggested we divert to La Caletta, which I readily agreed to, even though I wasn’t looking forward to mooring this single-engine catamaran for the first time. It was a struggle in the high wind but we did it without any damage and, completely knackered, we went to bed and listened to the wind howling all night.
The following morning, wind still howling, but in the right direction, we set off under staysail (the only one we had left). Unfortunately, this sail was just too small to get us going fast enough and the engine was soon back on. After only 7 hours we arrived in Arbatax and were home to a welcoming party. I managed to moor the boat for a second time without hitting anything.
I have bought and sold several boats over the last 30 years, always privately. This is the first time I have bought through a broker and has been by far my worst experience. In all other transactions, the purchaser/seller and myself have spent a lot of time together, going over the pros & cons. We have made sure everything works as it should and in fact on the last boat I sold, I fitted a new toilet, as the original was not perfect. It has worked both ways because, when I once complained that a fridge was not working, after I had taken delivery of another boat, the ex owner turned up with a new one. This sort of gentlemanly arrangement doesn’t work with a broker. I am not sure why anyone with access to the Internet uses a one. There are many free ‘Boats for Sale’ websites; I have successfully used ‘Boatsandoutboards.co.uk’ recently, for completely commission-free sales. Of course, there are many checks to be made, which a broker does, but I made the mistake of signing an altered contract, which absolves the broker and seller of all their responsibilities.
To be fair, in this case the broker knew very little about the boat he was selling as it had only been on his books a week. However, the owner, who new everything about the boat, and knew the length of passage we were about to undertake, was economical with the truth. We think he let us go to sea unprepared. He should have told us early on that the boat had been laid up and that the sails were rotten then we could have then planned to make shorter passages, along the Spanish and French coasts.
Keith & Doreen Potter